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Disappointing imo
Jones first loss or HW title win should be vs the HW GOAT(Stipe) or the current best HW(Ngannou)
 

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Somehow I always get sucked into fading Jones.......win vs Cormier cost me big and I STILL hold a grudge agains Daniel because of it....lol
 

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Jon Jones vs. Ciryl Gane​


Jon Jones is making his debut at heavyweight and has not fought in three years, so there is some uncertainty as to how he will look given the long layoff and new division. At Jones’ peak, he was a matchup nightmare because he was elite at both fighting at range and fighting inside. Jones’ long limbs and lengthy kicks allowed him to pepper away at an opponent’s base from a safe distance, and his elite clinch game made closing the distance on him and fighting inside a bad idea. Jones’ elite wrestling also kept him off his back and allowed him to dictate where the fight took place.


However, Jones was not nearly as dominant at the end of his light heavyweight title run as he was in the beginning, and the last time we saw Jones, he narrowly edged out a decision win over Dominick Reyes in a close fight that some felt Reyes won. Jones’ length advantage will also be less evident at heavyweight, where opponents generally have bigger and longer frames. Ciryl Gane’s 81-inch reach is the longest reach of any opponent Jones has faced in his UFC career.


Jones and Gane are similar in that they both are excellent at managing distance and throwing long, rangy strikes. Gane uses his length well offensively, particularly through his kicks. Gane’s kicking game is a safe way to attack offensively because he is generally able to land strikes outside of his opponent’s punching range. Gane’s striking game is very well-rounded, featuring an assortment of kicks, knees, elbows and punches that land to the legs, body and head. Gane’s kickboxing skill and athleticism really stand out at heavyweight, a division that can often feature less-technical brawls between fighters who aren’t as skilled or athletic as fighters in the lighter weight classes.




Gane has landed more than twice the significant strikes he has absorbed, landing over five significant strikes per minute while absorbing about two significant strikes per minute. Gane’s ability to evade significant strikes is also supported by his rate stats, as he has avoided a strong 62% of opponent significant strike attempts. Jones’ striking metrics are very similar: Jones has avoided an excellent 64% of opponent significant strike attempts and has landed about twice as many strikes as he has absorbed.


There are a few ways to attack Gane based on his style that could be effective. The first is pressure on the feet, which would keep Gane retreating on his back foot and make it difficult for him to use his excellent kicking game. The second is timely wrestling, which would help reduce the effectiveness of his kickboxing and leg kicks, because throwing kicks leaves a fighter more susceptible to takedowns due to being off-balanced combined with extending the leg. On the flip side, the best way to close the distance on Jones and avoid his oblique kicks is to switch stances while coming in, which gets Jones off-balanced if he kicks at a lead leg that is now the trail leg.


Both Jones and Gane are patient and methodical strikers and neither has huge one-punch knockout power. Seven of Jones’ last nine fights have gone to decision, and four of Gane’s last seven fights have gone to decision. Jones and Gane also both have strong defense, which is evident in their striking metrics. Gane’s chin was tested in his most recent fight against Tai Tuivasa, but Gane showed strong composure and recovery skills after getting hit with a Tuivasa bomb that would have knocked out many other fighters.


We could see a methodical, slower-paced fight that primarily takes place at range between two fighters who have strong defense, making this fight a good candidate to be prolonged. Picking the fight to go the distance also creates margin for error in picking the winner of the fight, which is notable given the uncertainty as to how Jones will look coming off a long layoff and moving up to a new division.
 

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Some betting ideas

A second canceled main event in three months ruined last Saturday's festivities, but the UFC will make up for it with the return of a certified superstar. We're handing out two belts on a card littered with stars, but betting this one might be a bit tricky.
UFC 285: Jones vs. Gane will take place Saturday from the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Which MMA bets stand out on FanDuel Sportsbook?

Two-Leg Parlay

YTD: 2-4 (-3.5 units)
The curse the two-legger has felt all year has reached a new level. Andre Muniz, a world-class, credentialed grappler, won the striking battle against Brendan Allen, but the Brazilian was thoroughly handled on the mat and handed his first submission loss in 28 pro fights.
Here's this week's lay.

Tabatha Ricci and Marc-Andre Barriault to Both Win
(+110; 1.5 Units)​

Though there is still some risk, I'm much more confident in this week's lay than last week's. One leg feels like a slam dunk, and that's Tabatha Ricci (-330).
Ricci's UFC career certainly leaves questions of its own. She was destroyed in a late-notice squash match by Manon Fiorot, which is still primarily the reason she's got a -1.91 striking success rate (SSR). She's been outstruck in all three fights, so there will be a spot to sell her. This isn't it.
At the very least, "Baby Shark" has gotten to her wrestling. She's posted 10 takedowns on 22 attempts at strawweight, and her opponent this weekend, Jessica Penne, has a putrid 40% takedown defense. I wouldn't write off Ricci demolishing Jessica Penne's 47% striking defense, either. This fight is as simple as the 40-year-old Penne is well past her prime -- and struggled through it.
Marc-Andre Barriault (-162) is the other leg that's a bit trickier, but I have reasons to believe in him. Namely, he was dismantled last fight in an eight-takedown battering from Anthony Hernandez, and his opponent this weekend hasn't landed a UFC takedown. That helps.
Julian Marquez is said opponent, and Marquez's poor striking defense last resulted in a three-knockdown loss to Gregory Rodrigues. Barriault and Rodrigues are similar offensively; the former lands quality volume at 5.35 significant strikes per minute with 46% accuracy.
Barriault's 61% takedown defense had held well against all others, and he's only been submitted once in 20 pro fights. I like his chances if that takedown defense holds -- and Marquez has never tried to crack anyone's.

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Ciryl Gane to Win (+130; 1.0 Units)​

Jon Jones' situation this week is a new one for me.
"Bones" hasn't fought since the COVID break, scoring a controversial win over Dominick Reyes in a light heavyweight title bout. Now, Jones will make his debut at heavyweight after over three years off, and I'm skeptical. He's been to a decision in three straight fights with foes who have a combined 5-10 record since facing him.
This isn't a soft landing. Ciryl Gane (+130) has a +2.86 SSR and is indisputably the best heavyweight striker in the world. He survived 25 minutes with Francis Ngannou while nearly winning the fight. Gane's 54% takedown defense was the problem that night, and Jones can -- admittedly -- do some of that.
The problem is Jones' wrestling wasn't elite the last time we saw him. He's just landed 6 of his last 23 takedowns against light heavyweights, and now Gane is a much larger person to drag to the canvas. Jones has put on muscle himself, but we don't have a sample of his wrestling here.
Recently, Conor McGregor lept into championship-level competition off a long layoff to face Dustin Poirier, and he was squashed twice. Gane finished a top-five contender last year, so I don't know why I'd expect Jones, struggling at the end of his light heavyweight tenure, to dominate an established heavyweight champ.

Valentina Shevchenko and Alexa Grasso Goes the Distance (+146; 0.75 Units)​

Father Time is undefeated, and he might actually be the toughest career opponent Valentina Shevchenko (-670) has faced at flyweight.
The 34-year-old Shevchenko founded this division since becoming its first real champion in 2018. Valentina's a sizable favorite to retain this belt one more time before undefeated challengers Erin Blanchfield and Manon Fiorot -- dominating the rest the same way she has -- are inevitable, but there's a reason to believe Alexa Grasso (+430) can be the latest hang around all 25 minutes.
Grasso's only been finished once in her UFC career, and it wasn't at this weight. That was a submission win by Tatiana Suarez, who is a title fight hopeful at 115. Still, at flyweight, Grasso is 4-0 with a +27 striking differential, and she's defended 10 of the 15 takedowns she's faced at flyweight.
Shevchenko has seen the full distance in 8 of her 14 UFC bouts. A finish hasn't been automatic, and Grasso (61% striking defense) is one of the best defensive boxers in the division. Even if Shevchenko is a step ahead here and scores a few takedowns on Grasso, Grasso has posted five submission attempts in UFC, including a win in this weight over Joanne Wood. She's not a novice waiting to get subbed there.
Valentina's striking offense just hasn't been scary. She lands just 3.19 significant strikes per minute and hasn't eclipsed 80 total significant strikes in seven straight bouts. I don't see the high-level volume or power from Valentina at her advanced age to finish a successful challenger.

Dart Throws of the Week

Bo Nickal by KO/TKO in Round 1 (+330; 0.5 Units)​

Bo Nickal (-2200) is as close to automatic as it gets.
The UFC is absolutely taking care of its prized prospect in this spot. Nickal was a two-time NCAA champion as a wrestler in college at Penn State, and his next professional move was mixed martial arts, and the UFC -- obviously not offering more money -- won out based on its platform.
Nickal has demolished three pro foes, and to amass a 90-3 record at the top of Division I athletics, he's already a better wrestler than 99% of UFC fighters who bring more complementary skills. Nickal's shown he can just use that to overwhelm prospects at this level.
He needed just 114 total seconds to secure two wins by submission on Dana White's Contender Series, and Jamie Pickett (3-6 UFC) just isn't that much tougher of a foe. Pickett has a mediocre 65% takedown defense and was submitted in the first round by Kyle Daukaus last year.
Nickal's ability is that of a ranked middleweight, but he's getting parade-level treatment to begin his career. Nickal is -210 to win in the first round, but this mark is +310 versus a submission at -105.
While it's more than plausible Bo just grabs another choke, he could have his choice of finishing method in this one, and he may just choose to punch himself to a win from mount. Those odds, to me, are closer to 50% than the 24.4% implied odds here.

Geoff Neal by KO/TKO or Decision (+550; 0.25 Units)​

Combat sambo masters from Eastern Europe like Khabib Nurmagomedov, Khamzat Chimaev, and Islam Makhachev have dominated this sport for over a decade, so Shavkat Rakhmonov's hype makes sense.
I'm just not sure he's in the same mold.
Rakhmonov's four opponents are just 7-9 since the COVID break, and their average takedown defense was 61.3%. With that said, Rakhmonov's takedown accuracy of 50% isn't that high above expectation (38.7%). Shavkat's 55% striking defense also isn't that of Makhachev (61%), either.
This fight with Geoff Neal (+390) reminds me of when the aforementioned Chimaev -- relatively untested -- faced Gilbert Burns, an elite striker with a 48% striking accuracy, in this same weight class. Chimaev absorbed 108 significant strikes and snuck away with the win, but it was close.
Neal is a sensational matchup for Rakhmonov. His 51% striking accuracy and 60% striking defense are both elite, and he's been able to defend takedowns (85%) against everyone. He's also faced four ranked foes to Rakhmonov's one (Neil Magny).
While Neal won't likely play in Rakhmonov's zone, these odds on a win with his striking are just far too distant.
 

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This will be a crazy fight, they are both tough and huge.
 

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Stipe Miocic makes prediction for UFC 285’s main event


“It’s an interesting matchup just because you know, Jones has been out for three years,” Stipe Miocic stated in an interview with Daniel Cormier. “He’s been training, he’s 250 now you know, he’s still got his speed but it’s a big difference. He looks different, and like that speed, you might think you’re faster, but you’re not that much faster.”


He continued, “Ciryl that guy is a gamer, he throws great. Just like Jones, he throws those kicks like that. He’s gone five rounds, but also you know, Jon Jones, he does a lot of stuff people have never seen. He sets you up perfect, but I feel the same way with Ciryl.”


“…I got to go with Gane, seriously. I think he’s been active, and you know, he’s a big man. Heavyweight is a different matchup.”
 

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Stipe Miocic makes prediction for UFC 285’s main event


“It’s an interesting matchup just because you know, Jones has been out for three years,” Stipe Miocic stated in an interview with Daniel Cormier. “He’s been training, he’s 250 now you know, he’s still got his speed but it’s a big difference. He looks different, and like that speed, you might think you’re faster, but you’re not that much faster.”


He continued, “Ciryl that guy is a gamer, he throws great. Just like Jones, he throws those kicks like that. He’s gone five rounds, but also you know, Jon Jones, he does a lot of stuff people have never seen. He sets you up perfect, but I feel the same way with Ciryl.”


“…I got to go with Gane, seriously. I think he’s been active, and you know, he’s a big man. Heavyweight is a different matchup.”
Yeah and Stipe should have been 246 in his second Ngannou fight not 234. His near miss takedown attempt in round two would have been different. Still can't understand why he fought so light vs Ngannou?
 

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2 good openers
 

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Best set of early prelims that I can remember
 

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Duplessis and Brunson ....great back and forth fight till Brunson ran out of gas....he didnt want another round....
 

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Another top notch fight with Neal and Rakmonhov

Only real dud so far was pussy ass Cody , won but was scared to fight
 

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who won the Neal/Rak fight?
 

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Down goes Shevchencko to the choke
 

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Duplessis and Brunson ....great back and forth fight till Brunson ran out of gas....he didnt want another round....
Brunson's corner threw in the towel......weird ending as Brunson was on his back as the round was ending, still about 5 seconds left, and relaxed as if the round were over....took 2 big ass blows and corner threw in towel literally as clock his zero...
 

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Well that was fast.....Gane taps/Jones wins
 

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Even though DK reported this, it MAY or MAY NOT even be true

A DraftKings Sportsbook bettor had an epic weekend, turning just $1 into nearly $400,000 in one of the greatest wins in sports betting history. Targeting the UFC 285 card, the bettor placed a $1 Parlay Bet on DraftKings Sportsbook featuring the following six picks at +39947171 odds:


  • Dricus Du Plessis to Win by KO/TKO/DQ in Round 2
  • Cody Garbrandt To Win By Decision
  • Bo Nickal to Win by Submission in Round 1
  • Shavkat Rakhmonov to Win by Submission in Round 3
  • Alexa Grasso to Win by Submission in Round 4
  • Jon Jones To Win By Submission

The official win was $399,472.71.
 

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